Ich putte mit einer leichten Kreisbahn, anstatt völlig gerade. Derzeit spiele ich einen Odysee White Hot XG Putter, der blöderweise immer in eine bestimmte Richtung danebengeht....(links vorbei am Loch).
Der Putter hat einen gekröpften Schaft. Kann das damit zusammenhängen, das meine Putts immer schön auf einer Seite am Loch vorbeigehen?
Putterschaft - gekröpft oder normal
Die Betreiber vom Golfhaus.de distanzieren sich hiermit ausdrücklich von dem durch handicap am 22.07.2012, 19:05 verfassten Beitrag.
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Hi Handicap, Fernanalysen sind doch immer schwer, aber ich habe oder hatte ein ähnliches Problem.
Zunächst mal sollte der Putter zu Deinen Maßen und Deinem Puttingstil passen. Ein gekröpfter Schaft reduziert das Drehmoment des Kopfes um möglichst pendelnd putten zu können. Ich weiss nicht, ob Dein Kreisbahnputtstil dort zielführend ist. Wahrscheinlich arbeitest Du deswegen dann mit den Handgelenken und drückst den Putt im Impact mit der rechten Hand, so dass sich der Kopf schliesst und der Ball links vorbei geht. So war es bei mir auch. Diese drückende HG-Bewegung haben viele Golfer. Oliver Heuler redet in seinem Puttvideo sogar von Yips.
Ich hatte auch einen nicht passenden Putter und hab dann gemessen und probiert, was mir am besten passt. Inzwischen spiele ich Mikes Modell 59 mit schwerem Schaft was dazu führt, weniger HG-Aktion machen zu müssen. Mein Putten ist deutlich konstanter geworden insbesondere bei den kurzen Putts, die man nicht vorbeischieben darf. Inzwischen freue ich mich aufs Grün zu gehen. Ich habe allerdings auch schon diverse Stunden an Training mit dem neuen Putter verbracht, um diese HG-Bewegung abzustellen. Es gelingt mir nicht immer, wie gerade wieder ein guter Spieler aus unserem Club auf der letzten Runde beobachtet hat.
Also such Dir den richtigen Putter mit dem richtigen Fitting und dann heisst es üben.
Volker
Zunächst mal sollte der Putter zu Deinen Maßen und Deinem Puttingstil passen. Ein gekröpfter Schaft reduziert das Drehmoment des Kopfes um möglichst pendelnd putten zu können. Ich weiss nicht, ob Dein Kreisbahnputtstil dort zielführend ist. Wahrscheinlich arbeitest Du deswegen dann mit den Handgelenken und drückst den Putt im Impact mit der rechten Hand, so dass sich der Kopf schliesst und der Ball links vorbei geht. So war es bei mir auch. Diese drückende HG-Bewegung haben viele Golfer. Oliver Heuler redet in seinem Puttvideo sogar von Yips.
Ich hatte auch einen nicht passenden Putter und hab dann gemessen und probiert, was mir am besten passt. Inzwischen spiele ich Mikes Modell 59 mit schwerem Schaft was dazu führt, weniger HG-Aktion machen zu müssen. Mein Putten ist deutlich konstanter geworden insbesondere bei den kurzen Putts, die man nicht vorbeischieben darf. Inzwischen freue ich mich aufs Grün zu gehen. Ich habe allerdings auch schon diverse Stunden an Training mit dem neuen Putter verbracht, um diese HG-Bewegung abzustellen. Es gelingt mir nicht immer, wie gerade wieder ein guter Spieler aus unserem Club auf der letzten Runde beobachtet hat.
Also such Dir den richtigen Putter mit dem richtigen Fitting und dann heisst es üben.
Volker
Die Betreiber vom Golfhaus.de distanzieren sich hiermit ausdrücklich von dem durch VT am 23.07.2012, 08:39 verfassten Beitrag.
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Ich habe mal einen sehr interessanten Bericht von einem amerikanischen Putt Experten gelesen, leider erinnere ich mich nur an den Inhalt, aber nicht wer das war. Anyway, der Herr hat referiert, dass neben den klassischen Fitting Parameter wie Länge, Lie etc. auch die Form des Schaftes eine erhebliche individuelle Rolle spielt. Das Argument war, jeder hat andere Augen und Gehirn und verarbeit optische Signale anders. Je nach Schaftform und Art, kommt es zu Parallaxenfehler, wenn das System nicht zu einem passt. Somit ist leichtes Danebenzielen vorprogrammiert, obwohl das Augen/Gehirn System sagt, alles in Ordnung.
Ich glaube jeder kennt das. Man hat die Zwischenmarkierung, stellt den Schläger absolut square auf die Ziellinie, stellt sich square an den Putter, schaut nach unten, und es sieht falsch aus. Sofort, will man instinktiv leicht korrigieren und das Drama nimmt seinen Lauf. Deswegen gibt es Leute, die brauchen einen center-shafted Putter, andere treffen damit gar nix.
Es hilft nur eins, probieren und wohlfühlen.
Ich glaube jeder kennt das. Man hat die Zwischenmarkierung, stellt den Schläger absolut square auf die Ziellinie, stellt sich square an den Putter, schaut nach unten, und es sieht falsch aus. Sofort, will man instinktiv leicht korrigieren und das Drama nimmt seinen Lauf. Deswegen gibt es Leute, die brauchen einen center-shafted Putter, andere treffen damit gar nix.
Es hilft nur eins, probieren und wohlfühlen.
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Der Mensch heißt Dave Edel und hat Don Trahan für den Putter gefittet.
Putting Problem: Face Alignment
Posted in [Golf Instruction] By Don Trahan
I attended the Better Golf Through Technology Seminar at MIT in lovely and sunny, but below freezing, Boston, MA in January of 2008. The last thing I ever expected at this conference was to run into a putter expert who not only fits you for a putter, but also builds it from milling the head to putting on the grip. When Dave Edel, PGA (www.edelgolf.com) made his presentation I knew I had just found me a “New Friend.” I sensed, and I guess mostly hoped, he would have the answer to help we with my putting.
I have had over 30 years of poor putting that I knew was from vision problems. I have 20/20 vision and am far sighted, so seeing is no problem, except up close, like in putting — especially short putts. My vision problem is that my eyes don’t line up so I can see and judge lines, like reading greens. I cannot visualize and see lines on the green when putting like most golfers can do. I was extra excited when speaking with Dave to learn he was going to be on the putting green for the Bay Hill Classic in Orlando, which I was going to attend to work with DJ. I told Dave I would be there and to count on me going through a fitting.
I met Dave on the putting green late Monday afternoon. It was getting close to deserted and he was free. I expected that the main issues of shaft length and flex, lie angle and loft, head shape, and grip size and shape would be the topics of discussion. I soon found out I was missing perhaps the most important piece of the putter fitting puzzle.
Dave has a special travel bag that looks like a hard cover golf club travel cover. Inside of it is a collection of different shaped heads, hosels, shafts and grips. The first thing he asked me to do was select a head shape. After I made my selection he took the putter and attached a mirror face to it. Then he took a 33 inch shaft, the length I told him I use, and put it into a plumber’s neck hosel and screwed the hosel and shaft into the head. In a matter of a minute or two, he whipped together my custom putter for the fitting.
Dave then gave me my instructions to address the ball at the mark, which was 6 feet from the hole, and line up the putter face in the dead center of the cup. Behind and touching the back of the cup was a board with a little hole in it. I would learn in one minute that behind the hole was a laser beam that would shoot out a beam and bounce off the mirror putter face back to the board to show where the face was aimed.
I put on my prescription playing sun glasses and I addressed the ball. Working hard enough to get a headache, I lined up, looking back and forth from hole to putter face like I had to make this putt to win the US Open. When I said good to go, Dave pushed the button to shoot the beam. When it hit the board it was at least 2 -3 inches left of the hole. Not even close enough for horse shoes. I begged for another chance, grinded even harder and flunked again. I was even more to the left. Like baseball, I had one more strike left, and whiffed that one just as bad.
Dave saved me, saying it was obvious a plumber’s neck hosel does not work for my eyes. So he removed it, grabbed another hosel and attached it to the shaft and then the head. When he handed it to me and I put it down, is was a reverse plumber’s neck. Instead of the shaft being ahead of the face, it was now well behind it, actually near the back of the head. I struck out 3 times with this reverse hosel exactly as bad as the first one. The amazing thing was that it was exactly opposite. I was on the right side of the hole.
The next hosel we tried was a straight shaft in-line hosel where the outside edge of the shaft is directly in line with the face of the putter. After hitting 3 grand slam face aims dead center, we knew what hosel and shaft alignment worked for The Surge.
Next, Dave ran me through all the different head shapes with this shaft in-line hosel. Again I was amazed that the head shape also affected aiming, but not anywhere to the degree of the shaft/hosel setup. We ended up with the original test design, which is the shape and size of a Ping Anser type putter. I chose the variable loft model that comes with a 2, 3 and 4 degree interchangeable face. This is good in that on slower greens I use the 4 degree. On faster greens I drop down a degree or two. I also asked Dave to make my putter a lot heavier than normal because I always have putted with heavy putters, even on fast greens. (I’ll discuss this concept of heavy putters are better for fast greens in another blog.)
Dave made me my custom fitted milled putter and when it was delivered around two weeks later, it came with a leather case with my name engraved on it that holds the two extra lofted faces and the wrench to change them. The putter also has my name engraved on the face near the heel and all writing is painted a light blue that would excite a UNC Tar Heel. The putter looks and feels great and I putt much better with it, especially the short ones at 6 feet and under.
The moral of this story is that if you are missing too many short putts and or missing your start line/spot on long big breaking putts, you need to check out your hosel and shaft to face setup to find the one that fits your eyes best to aim it accurately. If you own different shaft/hosel putters, heck, even if you don’t, go to your PGA golf shop or golf store and test to see which hosel/shaft and head shape you can aim the best.
I have written many articles and daily blogs about the importance of aiming the body to hit better shots. Aiming the putter face is just as critical. It’s even more as the margin of error is now only the size of the hole versus the fairway or green. When you find the putter you aim spot on, if you own it, use it. If it is in the shop or store, buy it. Now that you can aim the face better, you will see more long putts lagging up closer and shorter putts dropping in.
The Surge!
Der Mensch heißt Dave Edel und hat Don Trahan für den Putter gefittet.
Putting Problem: Face Alignment
Posted in [Golf Instruction] By Don Trahan
I attended the Better Golf Through Technology Seminar at MIT in lovely and sunny, but below freezing, Boston, MA in January of 2008. The last thing I ever expected at this conference was to run into a putter expert who not only fits you for a putter, but also builds it from milling the head to putting on the grip. When Dave Edel, PGA (www.edelgolf.com) made his presentation I knew I had just found me a “New Friend.” I sensed, and I guess mostly hoped, he would have the answer to help we with my putting.
I have had over 30 years of poor putting that I knew was from vision problems. I have 20/20 vision and am far sighted, so seeing is no problem, except up close, like in putting — especially short putts. My vision problem is that my eyes don’t line up so I can see and judge lines, like reading greens. I cannot visualize and see lines on the green when putting like most golfers can do. I was extra excited when speaking with Dave to learn he was going to be on the putting green for the Bay Hill Classic in Orlando, which I was going to attend to work with DJ. I told Dave I would be there and to count on me going through a fitting.
I met Dave on the putting green late Monday afternoon. It was getting close to deserted and he was free. I expected that the main issues of shaft length and flex, lie angle and loft, head shape, and grip size and shape would be the topics of discussion. I soon found out I was missing perhaps the most important piece of the putter fitting puzzle.
Dave has a special travel bag that looks like a hard cover golf club travel cover. Inside of it is a collection of different shaped heads, hosels, shafts and grips. The first thing he asked me to do was select a head shape. After I made my selection he took the putter and attached a mirror face to it. Then he took a 33 inch shaft, the length I told him I use, and put it into a plumber’s neck hosel and screwed the hosel and shaft into the head. In a matter of a minute or two, he whipped together my custom putter for the fitting.
Dave then gave me my instructions to address the ball at the mark, which was 6 feet from the hole, and line up the putter face in the dead center of the cup. Behind and touching the back of the cup was a board with a little hole in it. I would learn in one minute that behind the hole was a laser beam that would shoot out a beam and bounce off the mirror putter face back to the board to show where the face was aimed.
I put on my prescription playing sun glasses and I addressed the ball. Working hard enough to get a headache, I lined up, looking back and forth from hole to putter face like I had to make this putt to win the US Open. When I said good to go, Dave pushed the button to shoot the beam. When it hit the board it was at least 2 -3 inches left of the hole. Not even close enough for horse shoes. I begged for another chance, grinded even harder and flunked again. I was even more to the left. Like baseball, I had one more strike left, and whiffed that one just as bad.
Dave saved me, saying it was obvious a plumber’s neck hosel does not work for my eyes. So he removed it, grabbed another hosel and attached it to the shaft and then the head. When he handed it to me and I put it down, is was a reverse plumber’s neck. Instead of the shaft being ahead of the face, it was now well behind it, actually near the back of the head. I struck out 3 times with this reverse hosel exactly as bad as the first one. The amazing thing was that it was exactly opposite. I was on the right side of the hole.
The next hosel we tried was a straight shaft in-line hosel where the outside edge of the shaft is directly in line with the face of the putter. After hitting 3 grand slam face aims dead center, we knew what hosel and shaft alignment worked for The Surge.
Next, Dave ran me through all the different head shapes with this shaft in-line hosel. Again I was amazed that the head shape also affected aiming, but not anywhere to the degree of the shaft/hosel setup. We ended up with the original test design, which is the shape and size of a Ping Anser type putter. I chose the variable loft model that comes with a 2, 3 and 4 degree interchangeable face. This is good in that on slower greens I use the 4 degree. On faster greens I drop down a degree or two. I also asked Dave to make my putter a lot heavier than normal because I always have putted with heavy putters, even on fast greens. (I’ll discuss this concept of heavy putters are better for fast greens in another blog.)
Dave made me my custom fitted milled putter and when it was delivered around two weeks later, it came with a leather case with my name engraved on it that holds the two extra lofted faces and the wrench to change them. The putter also has my name engraved on the face near the heel and all writing is painted a light blue that would excite a UNC Tar Heel. The putter looks and feels great and I putt much better with it, especially the short ones at 6 feet and under.
The moral of this story is that if you are missing too many short putts and or missing your start line/spot on long big breaking putts, you need to check out your hosel and shaft to face setup to find the one that fits your eyes best to aim it accurately. If you own different shaft/hosel putters, heck, even if you don’t, go to your PGA golf shop or golf store and test to see which hosel/shaft and head shape you can aim the best.
I have written many articles and daily blogs about the importance of aiming the body to hit better shots. Aiming the putter face is just as critical. It’s even more as the margin of error is now only the size of the hole versus the fairway or green. When you find the putter you aim spot on, if you own it, use it. If it is in the shop or store, buy it. Now that you can aim the face better, you will see more long putts lagging up closer and shorter putts dropping in.
The Surge!
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